The Enduring/Vanishing .35 Remington

Hello everybody,

This is my first article for The Reloaders Network. I’ve began work on a .35 Remington Series on YouTube. I’m relatively new to reloading and certainly to creating content. I’ve only been reloading for about a year and a half. Most everything I know I’ve learned from some of you guys. I can not be more grateful to all of you. I refuse to start dropping names here, for fear of leaving out someone who has been critical in my learning curve. You probably know who you are, because I commented on your videos for over a year before I ever posted my first video on YouTube.

Speaking of YouTube, I still have not decided where I’ll be moving my videos. I’ve tried to upload to UGETube unsuccessfully, so I’ve got to settle on a spot. Any suggestions are coveted.

I am a Christian, trying to live a Godly life and fail everyday. As I get started here on The Network, I would like all you folks to know who I am. I’m not here to judge anyone, but to try to help. If I can ever do anything for you, please don’t hesitate to let me know. I’m not a rich man, but I can certainly join in any of your prayer concerns. I do read my Bible daily, and freely admit I’m still learning that as well as reloading. I have several study resources. If you have any Bible type questions, I’ll do what can to help. Given a little time, I can probably find an answer. And if I may, I don’t want to start a game of “Let’s Stump the Christian.” I just want to help where I can.

Articles

Now let’s get to what you want to be reading about: Reloading and the .35 Remington. You may be asking yourself, “What’s up with that title?” Kind of contradictory, isn’t it? Yea, I freely admit that because as I’m researching the cartridge, these are a couple of the articles I found. John Haviland wrote an article, “The Enduring .35 Remington” published in the American Rifleman in 2014. He gives a history of the different firearm manufacturers and the models this cartridge has been chambered for in the past. Mr. Haviland then goes into his handloads for the Marlin 336 he hunts with. I, too, wish to hunt with my cast handloads in the near future and think this rifle/cartridge combination is ideal for the purpose.

Barr H. Soltis wrote an article titled “CPR For The .35 Remington.” He recounts his personal story, in my opinion, of his discovery of this cartridge, its assets and its limitations. I’m not sure there is a better choice for woods/brush hunting for deer here in my home state of Georgia. I’ve taken several with mine. From the video comments I read, I kinda get the feeling that most hunters who use the .35 Remington prefer the older loads, such as the Remington Core-Lokt, Winchester Super X, or the Federal Power-Shok. My fascination with the Hornady LeveRevolution offerings are based on range time.

HUNTING

As I think back on my hunting experiences, I must admit that I recall two occasions where I had issues with the LeveRevolution. The first, a doe was hit, but not fatally; every hunters most dreaded event. After over an hour of tracking, the animal was not recovered as the blood trail ended. The next morning more tracking yielded no success, either. However, later that season, I spotted her running around with scrapped and swollen spot on the bottom of torso, right where the front leg ends and the belly begins. The other was a nice buck, hit solid right behind the front shoulder. He mule-kicked at the moment of impact and ran off into the woods 40 yards, where he was recovered.

I read of hunters hitting deer with the .35 Remington and they just hit the ground right there. That has not been my experience, most of the time anyway. I think our 200 grain cast loads will remedy that situation. My goal is 2000 fps with MOA accuracy. I will accept less speed in order to get the accuracy.

Most people who comment on the videos I’ve watched are of the opinion the Hornady FTX bullets are slow to expand. I’m not sure, personally, but I have experienced their concerns. I think the flat point of the Lee 358-200-RF cast bullet will expand rapidly and expend its energy into the animal for a quick and humane kill.

HISTORY

The history of the cartridge is both proud and tarnished! The .35 Remington, also called the 9x49mm Browning and the 9mm Don Gonzalo, was introduced in 1906. That same year, the much-loved .30-06 was introduced and adopted by the U.S. military. John Browning had designed the Remington Auto-loading Rifle. It was the first commercially successful “self-loading” rifle, and was chambered in .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remington calibers. The first 3 basically being rimless versions of Winchester Center Fire cartridges and have long since passed by the wayside. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the .30 WCF survives now as the .30-30 Winchester. The original model, to me anyway, highly resembles the Browning Auto 5 shotgun, also designed by John Moses Browning. Remington changed the name to the Model 8 in 1911.

The Remington Model 8 lasted until 1936, when it was revised and the model designation was changed to the model 81. While this rifle never was used as a military rifle, it was used by many law enforcement agencies, including the FBI. The internal magazine was replaced and adapted for a 20 round box magazine which was removable.

INFAMY

On Wednesday, May 23,1934, a posse of six men, led by former Texas Ranger Frank Hamer, ambushed and killed Bonnie Parker and Clyde Borrow. It is said Mr. Hamer used a Remington model 8 rifle chambered in .35 Remington in that ambush. Members of the posse later said they were all armed with rifles, shotguns and pistols. All of the firearms were emptied at the notorious couple. The pistols were last to be emptied into the stolen Ford V-8 as it rolled to a stop and almost turned over in a ditch. One participant said,”We weren’t taking any chances.’

When the dust and smoke had cleared, the posse had fired around 130 rounds into the “death car.” Some said Bonnie and Clyde had been hit by more than 50 rounds each. The official Coroners report stated slightly more than half that. I’ve personally been at the spot this ambush happened. It’s still a small, country road.

Ronald Joseph “Butch” DeFeo, Jr. used a Marlin 336 lever-action rifle to murder his parents and four siblings on Wednesday November 13,1974. He WAS convicted, but I feel I must say “allegedly” as six bodies were found all face down on their beds. None of the other victims were awakened by the loud report of the rifle. No one could escape? Really? The prosecutor even suspected the involvement of others after the case was ended. The home these killings occurred in was 112 Ocean Avenue, Amityville, NY. The home was later purchased by George and Kathy Lutz in December of 1975. They moved in with Kathy’s three children. They left the house after 28 days, claiming to have been ran out by paranormal activity. “The Amityville Horror,” by Jay Anson was published in 1977 and spawned a series of horror films.

You all can see the cartridge is not without its controversies. Then again, cartridges can do nothing without the firearm. The firearm can do nothing without a shooter. All this is to invite everyone to join me on my journey to discover the ballistic mysteries within the .35 Remington cartridge as shot from a 1980 produced Marlin model 336 equipped with a 20 inch, micro-grove barrel. I’ll share the links below to my YouTube videos, but I’m sure most of you have already seen them.

Thank you for reading, watching and commenting.

May God bless you all,

Jamie

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easyrdr
easyrdr

I read somewhere that Hamer had a 25 Remington. He fired two shots at the start of the ambush and then lowered his gun and waited for the others to cease fire. I had a Remington Model 8. It was fun to shoot and difficult to shoot well. I have lousy eyesight and love optics on my rifles. The Model 8 could not be scoped. I have a CVA Hunter in 35 Remington. It is a single shot break action, 20 inch barrel. Bergara makes the barrels for CVA. I haven’t done a ton of load development yet for it.… Read more »

GunFun ZS
GunFun ZS

I wasn’t expecting to see my name there, but I have some .358 ~192 grain Linotype hollow points that I am tempted to send you. The bullet is unique. I was just casting some yesterday for .357 mag, and contemplating the reality that I’ve probably missed any chance of ever patenting them, so there’s not a lot of reason to keep them secret any longer. Maybe I should ponder on it. I would really like to see how well they do against something like a small deer. They shoot very accurately out of an S&W model 66 6″ but I… Read more »

GunFun ZS
GunFun ZS

… Mike Treen.

GunFun ZS
GunFun ZS

I’ve got a photo album which contains some of the Bonnie and Clyde photos and several of a similar genre. Some may well be the originals from the various crime scenes. It’s a morbid book with a lot of history. I noted that it has a few of some of the famous G-man era gangster busts which don’t show up in the online collections, so for all I know they may be unpublished copies. I’ve been planning to upload them and do a writeup. However, they are gory, and quite a few suicides are in the album, so there’s a… Read more »

PC Bullet Empire
PC Bullet Empire

Hi Jamie: love your Series on the 35 Remington have always been fascinated with the 35 Remington. Keep up the good work.

Loved your article that was very well written!

GunFun ZS
GunFun ZS

What he said^

CharlieBrassStuffer
CharlieBrassStuffer

An outstanding introduction to your project & introduction of yourself…for as much ‘hoopla’ that’s been going around on the .35 Remington it’s got me interested to follow your progress, I love ‘tack drivers’ because it takes more than just a good rifle, it takes a good handloader who can send them too. Outstanding. . . c h a r l i e

76Highboy Reloading
76Highboy Reloading

I have just been humbled. Very excellent video. Highboy

Mike Treen
Mike Treen

Great job Jamie! I’ve read a couple of accounts of the Bonnie and Clyde shooting that said Hammer only shot twice and both of the bodies had head wounds that looked like a .35 caliber. I still miss my 35 rem. but I don’t miss the ex-wife????
Keep up the good work!